Saswat Sahu: DAOs & The Web3 Ocean Podcast

Saswat Sahu is the host of the Web3 Ocean podcast.

We both discuss our journeys into Web3 and Ocean Protocol, we talk about the current and future states of DAOs and what you can expect to hear on Saswat’s new podcast.



Thanks to the Ocean Protocol Ambassador’s Programme for Sponsoring this podcast. Learn more about the programme here:

The following is a rough transcript which has not been revised by Ocean Missions. Please check with us before using any quotations from this transcript. Thank you.

Saswat: [00:00:00] Hello everyone. We have Scott Milat. Us. Scott is the host of a popular Web3 podcasts. It is called us the campfire podcast. And I met Scott in the ocean ambassador discord channel, and we started communicating and we hit it off. So for those uninitiated, my name is Sasha. I’m a fellow ocean ambassador as well.

And I also started a recent Web3 podcasts it’s called as the Web3 ocean podcast. So Scott, hello there. What’s up?

Scott: Hey, how’s it going? Um, yeah. Lovely to connect with you. And, uh, we’ll also have a very interesting I’m sure conversation with you about all things, uh, with three and crypto and wherever else the conversation takes us.

Saswat: Yeah about life, about life Scottish, everything comes under the bigger umbrella of life. Isn’t it just getting, so to start off, Scott, what’s your background like? I mean, I know personally, but you know, like you are currently in Bahrain, you have an amazing [00:01:00] digital background. You’ve traveled around a lot.

So if you had to sum up in like two or three sentences, how would you talk about.

Scott: Yeah. So I grew up in, uh, New Zealand spent the majority of my life there, um, began my professional career in advertising. Um, with corporate clients, uh, got involved with startups, um, got involved in developing mobile apps for commercial clients, um, and then fell in love with a Bahraini and moved to Bahrain, um, which is where I now live.

Saswat: Yeah, that there’s a personal angle to that, but yeah, later on that, on that, isn’t it. So now what really inspired you to get involved in the ocean ecosystem? Just not to Ocean DAO, but also, you know, engaging with a lot of other fellow ocean ambassador.

Scott: Yeah. So, I mean, I sort of started taking a pretty deep dive into crypto and blockchain technology and around 2016, um, just understanding how Bitcoin worked and all those sorts of things.

And then obviously [00:02:00] 2017 happened and that created, you know, a rather large reason to, to dive even deeper and get an even better understanding of what was going on. And I sort of just kept an eye on the industry. Um, actually, honestly it was, it was a lot of, um, listening to podcasts. The, the epicenter podcast was a, was a huge, um, influence and taught me a big chunk of, of what I know about crypto.

And it’s, it’s also where I first heard, uh, Trent talking about ocean. And actually prior to that, I think he was talking about big chain DB. So anyway, I had kind of a. Aware of Trent, uh, and the work that he was doing. And I just, you know, there’s so many such a broad array of projects inside of this ecosystem from, you know, blatant scams to, to, um, you know, just some really foundational and quite interesting, um, new.

Both technologies from a technical standpoint, but then also in terms of [00:03:00] what that means from a, from a social perspective and. Hearing Trent talk, you know, I could tell that he was coming from a good place and that he was, uh, you know, a reasonable human and also, um, can Canadians and Kiwis, you know, seem to have found can, uh, have a lot in common, maybe in two.

Kind of ethics and values, but, so that really is what attracted me to oceans initially, really. And then, then I did a, more of a deep dive to try and understand what was actually going on and, and, and, and the tasks that they were essentially taking on. And yeah, one thing led to another and I found my. You know, and the discord, um, and, and meeting with a few different people and, and, you know, connected with some, some interesting characters and, and sort of saw that there was some, some really interesting stuff happening that ecosystem was still relatively new.

At that point. It was, it was. You know, around this time, uh, last year, uh, and it was [00:04:00] also the time that I had moved to Bahrain. So, um, you know, I sort of had had left, you know, the, all the networks and everything that I had, uh, kind of made up into that point in terms of, um, you know, my professional career and so on.

And so, um, Yeah, it was starting to look at what options existed in terms of ideally, you know, staying in, in Bahrain. Um, for those who don’t know, uh, Dubai or Dubay is, uh, very close by. Um, and there’s a lot of interesting stuff happening there, but, uh, we moved halfway around the world. Closer to, uh, my wife’s friends and family.

So then to, to subsequently move, you know, another 40 minute flight away from there kind of didn’t make sense. So yeah, I got more involved with ocean and, um, yeah, basically the wrist, uh, the wrist is they say is history slash is uploaded to the internet because all the work I’ve been doing has been now published there.

Saswat: Good stuff. Good stuff. So that’s an exciting journey, to be honest. I mean, I’m almost like four or five years. You have been swimming in the ocean of crypto or more than that to be.

Scott: Yeah, [00:05:00] something like that. I mean, what does it now? Yeah, five or six. I mean, I kind of heard about the concept of, of DAOS. Um, and it was at the time that I was learning more about, uh, businesses and specifically businesses within technology and the concept of a distributed autonomous organization was kind of popping up as this radical new way.

Um, incentivizing and coordinating humans. And when you kind of look at, um, the macro scale of things, how we’re becoming, you know, more interconnected and, um, you know, borders, uh, becoming in some ways less. Um, you know, right now you’re interviewing me from India, I’m in, I’m in Bahrain and, and, um, you know, we’re both kind of working together on the same thing, essentially.

So, you know, it just seemed like a natural transition that there would need to be, or there would start to, you know, um, mechanisms and then centers would start to merge, um, such that people could coordinate on projects that they, they sort of cared about and found [00:06:00] interesting. Um, And so, you know, this idea of this distributed autonomous organization and using these new sort of crypto token things to incentivize people to, you know, kind of have shares, but they’re not really shares, um, and, and be incentivized to work towards the good of that project or the positive outcomes of that project.

It was just really interesting. Like it just had so much depth. Um, and, and it, it just sucked me in, honestly, I was fascinated by it. And, and as a result, um, you know, you go through those, those, um, those processes of then learning about, you know, Bitcoin and Ethereum, and then, you know, all of the other things that came out and then it just kind of gets to a point where it’s too hard to actually keep up with everything that’s going on.

Um, and I think that the. Um, you know, the industry’s at a point now where really, it makes sense to kind of pick something that, um, you can kind of go, go really deep. And, uh, for a number of reasons, ocean has, has kind of become that. And the data [00:07:00] economy is kind of become that. Um, I suppose just kind of the way things unfolded really, honestly.

Um, but yeah, it’s sort of, to me, And what they’re doing feels similar to, um, you know, how things have been previously, um, with regards to sort of crypto Bitcoin, Ethereum, and, and so on. And, and, um, I do think that, that we are at the beginning of something that is going to become. You know, it may not completely take over the world or whatever, but, um, I do think it will become reasonably significant.

Um, and whether that happens, you know, this year or in a couple of years, I really don’t know. Um, but I do think that there’s enough, uh, of a sort of fundamental, um, kind of foundation there, uh, such that it’s good. I’m going to have a, definitely an impact in some way, shape or form. Um, so looking forward to seeing what that is and how it involves,

Saswat: um, um, long answer, but, um, uh, um, uh, my exposure to Dow has been [00:08:00] just like about a year and something that I’ve learned over the last one and a half, two years during the pandemic, is that a.

Right after the pandemic, there was a digital exploration. So a lot of, you know, SAS companies, it companies really took off even in the midst of now the global pandemic, because the usage of digital tools and applications was really high. And that actually led to people accepting, you know, community is digital platforms using WhatsApp, telegrams.

discord, et cetera. You know, if the pandemic wasn’t there, people would not have been stuck in their apartments or in their residences are in their homes. And they would not have used all these digital tools. Right. But because of the pandemic, this really got accelerated people who did not know about these tools and applications, they started learning about it.

So the volume of now the tool usage like slack or telegram or. You know, a discard really took off and that led to a [00:09:00] natural progression of, of the emergence of doubts because decentralized autonomous organization, uh let’s. If you were to deconstruct that a bit decentralization means that people are distributed in different geographies.

It doesn’t matter if you are in middle east, or if you want it in Asia or in Mexico or in somewhere in Latin America or not the American. Uh, you know, or even, um, Oceanea right. So, um, now you could be, um, anonymous as valid. You do not have a, do not need to have a. At all given point in time, you can just, you know, move around as long as you do your job and you have a web three name, you have a wallet address, still a bunch of jobs get done.

And a lot of digital nomads currently, as we speak on actually doing it as a valid right. They could be operating out of multiple geographies. Like, like let’s say LATAM, Mexico, somewhere in Ubud, Bali and Indonesia, Chiang mine and Thailand are any of, any of the hubs of, um, uh, of the world. So, so [00:10:00] the decentralization part really connected people who were distributed in multiple geographies.

On a digital plan. So that is a good part of it. Now, Thomas was where a lot of processes were getting any of this automated and there was a sheer need of all these processes, where there was a to, and fro email chains going on and really leaning on two synchronous congregation, you know, who just really putting off people and led to this autonomous work as well.

So there, there were a lot of autonomous processes that were really creative. Uh, really thought out very well. And this really converged into creating a DAO. So decentralization, autonomous, um, you know, creation of processes. And the current times that we are in like 20, 20 and beyond where the majority of the digital working population were stuck in their apartments because of a global pandemic converse, these teams can work.

And now [00:11:00] DAO was a success in 2021 last year and 2021. Um, uh, they were like, um, thousands of DAOs to be honest. I mean, yesterday I was in Solano hacker house, one of the largest hacker house in the world, which was in Bangalore in my home city. And, um, no, there were like thousands of developers, dev rails, people from the broader Solana community who had come flown in from different geographies as well.

And we’re talking about. That doubt just right on, on a particular chain, like sonar Solana, there’s so many dollars. Imagine, uh, there are so many multiple chains as well, ERC 20 tokens, et cetera. So the natural evolution of DAO could be in 2022. call it DAO 1.0, where we are seeing that people who are digital natives, people who are getting used to this distill, or, you know, working schedules are working together and discards and notion docs and, uh, you know, co-working white boards, et cetera.

Eventually DAO [00:12:00] 1.1 will evolve into DAO 2.0 as well. There will be a bunch of iterations that will happen, just not on the finance layer, but also on the way people communicate. Uh, each other and the way the data gets, you know, gets exchanged between different parties, et cetera. And eventually in 2025, we will see a different shape and form of the off DAOs.

So the current DAO that we are currently operating in and understanding will really take, uh, you know, tectonics shift. Yeah. Yeah, definitely.

Scott: Definitely with the, um, um, the hacker house that you went to, what was the sort of average age, um, and then demographic that was there

Saswat: yeah, the hacker houses, uh, are usually very young, um, the population, um, irrespective whether it’s happening on for, you know, somewhere in Miami or somewhere in San Francisco. Are in Europe or in APAC, usually the mean age would be somewhere around 22 to 28 30. [00:13:00] That’s my guests. But you will find people from different spec.

The spectrum is totally wide, right? I mean, if you’ll find a lot of mature VCs, Guest speakers. They would be on the higher spectrum. Let’s say, you know, beyond 30, 30, 5, 40, et cetera. And a lot of, uh, volunteers, organizers, organizers are just getting started. So they would be on the other side of the spectrum.

There’d be somewhere around like 17, 18 to 21, 22, but the bulk of the people would be somewhere around 22 to 28, 29. That’s my. Yeah.

Scott: I mean, that’s pretty interesting in terms of just a concept, right? Like if you’re starting out, um, your professional career and there’s, you know, this really interesting new way of operating, that kind of makes sense to you.

Um, and the barrier to entry. Relatively low, right? It’s like, you know, read some stuff and go and show up at some hacker event. Um, I wish my barrier was that, uh, [00:14:00] um, uh, um, but yeah, like you can really see how that would be quite an appealing, uh, proposition. Um, and I wonder if that’s had any, any sort of impact in terms of, um, you know, competition around hiring and stuff at, at other firms.

Be interesting to

Saswat: know. Yeah, I think, um, uh, this is a very interesting insight that I got yesterday as well, while I was moving on the lens of these hacker dense they’re like five or six, um, you know, uh, chairs with, uh, terminals and a dev. Dave rales who are working on their particular tools. Let’s say, you know, if it’s on the Ethereum chain, its solidarity, if it’s on Solana, then it’s like rust and people all discussing about the projects that they could build on this particular chains.

And the most beautiful part is that, um, these are the projects that are technical projects that are being built, but there are a lot of business models that are being curated around it as well. Right. So I’m there. So definitely that ecosystem act LA. Is accelerating this process where people from different backgrounds [00:15:00] are coming, collaborating co-creating and eventually, uh, you know, engaging in community projects as well.

So I think, um, I think DAO 2.0 or let’s say would have its origin from these hacker houses as well. Uh, you know, digital communities are good, but hacker houses gives you that. In-person IRL communities as well. You meet a person, you really vibe with the person you connect with the person, then you get onboarded onto a slack channel or a discord channel.

Right? So, so the strength of the Dows really have this, this different vibe. If you have already connected with the majority of your community members early on through this hacker house.

Scott: Yeah. And, um, you know, if you were to think about, um, you know, Solana, for example, being an employer, um, but obviously they’re not because it’s, you know, more or less, uh, an open source project.

Um, I mean, it’s kind of the heck house is almost the equivalent of their, their building, right? In a, in a really strange way, you know, like this, their corporate office in a, in a, in a, [00:16:00] in a strange way,

Saswat: You’re right. You’re right. Actually they don’t, I mean, quite a lot of these projects and chains. I don’t think they have a corporate office.

It could be a digital. Uh, corporate discord channel. Yeah. So majority of the folks are distributed, which means that, um, they’re just connected via digital nodes. People, you know, check in and check out via discard or maybe emails and they are just working out of anywhere. It could be their home home base, or it could, they could be traveling somewhere as long as they add value to the project, to the DAO.

They should be good to go. So. I think this is definitely the future of work this well, this I’m mean Web3 DAOs are really at the, are at the edge of the, of the evolving emerging technologies. Right? So, so the of the technologies or web two companies will usually follow suit in the coming year. Yeah.

Scott: Yeah. It’s going to be [00:17:00] interesting to, to, to watch it unfold. Um, how did, how did you yourself get involved in, in ocean? What was the sort of pull factor to, to ocean protocol amongst, you know, the, the sea of many other DAOs.

Saswat: Great question. I’m a Scott so, uh, I come from a strategy consulting background and my initial days after my, um, engineering and MBA curriculum, I started traveling in different geographies.

I was based out of APAC for a good amount of time in my early days that have to move to UK for a couple of years, uh, working on, uh, on multiple it consulting strategy consulting projects with amazing clients. And for the last four to five years, I’ve been moving or swimming in the startup ecosystem. Right. So looking into trends, looking into projects, that seemed interesting. And for the last. Three years just before the pandemic, I was consulting to a bunch of SAS companies.

Early-stage SAS companies, and I really loved the business model. Right? I mean, many [00:18:00] of the SAS companies have, have the usual, uh, digital native players. Well, meaning that, uh, low head count, a good bottoms up product, which could be sold to, um, uh, customers or users to any. Right. Now during the pandemic, what happened was that I was really getting deep into the SAS ecosystem.

I was part of an accelerator or a body called us NASSCOM in India. And that was like an overarching body for a lot of it product companies as well. And, um, I was there for like one week. For years during the pandemic. And that was the time where I really communicated and engage with a lot of deep tech startups, AI startups, as well as SAS tech startups.

Right. And I started a podcast. Uh, I thought, why not capture these beautiful conversations of founders, operators and venture capitalists into a podcast and get the best worldview from our. That podcast really took off. Uh, I [00:19:00] got into the on-deck ecosystem, which is Silicon valley based ecosystem where you’ll find a lot of amazing entrepreneurs, investors, and operators, and they were starting their podcasting fellowship.

I said, Hey, why not? Now that was my really starting point to really understand DAOs how DAO mechanism works. I think the founders of coordinator were also there in the programming.

They had come in, they explained, you know, how do you actually do. Governance board. How do you have your compensation board? You know, how do you actually, you know, build your community ground up. And that really excited me and brought me to the crypto realm, right?

I did that, uh, last year around September, October, November, and then I got into a bunch of DAOs and I’m like, I really laugh, laugh, laugh out loud. When I tell that I was like almost in like $9,000. And then finally I realized that, Hey, uh, how do you choose the right DAO for yourself? Right. I mean, How do you know that this is the doubt that you would like to spend a good amount of time in, or [00:20:00] invest your time in nurturing relationships with your other fellow doll members as well?

So, one thing that I realized is that, Hey, you got to have a very. Uh, not like a vision mission, but objective in mind. Right. So I love the SAS ecosystem. So I thought anything that needed to do with data, anything that needed to do with, uh, you know, uh, API APIs exchange of information. Was my forte. I love that space, right?

Whether that’s a startup in that space, whether that was a business model in that space or whether that was any exciting, that three projects in that space. So that led me do, let’s say five or $10. Right? Uh, ocean protocol was one of them. I got into all the discord servers of these DAOs. And then I started having, you know, the GMs DMS as well as the nice, uh, introductory conversations with, uh, a lot of their fellow Dom members.

Now after having few of the earth. Congregations with Dom members, you get a fair sense [00:21:00] of the vibe that is available in a particular network community or right. Uh, if you join a particular Dow, which has already 10,000 community members, then maybe you are a little late to the game. So, so you may not be in a good position to actively know.

Stronger relationships with the veils of the Dow or with the decision-makers of the dowel and as well. Right. So there’s a waiting lag or a waiting period. So I realized that, Hey, ocean Dow is at the right, right. Uh, intersection of all my checkpoints, where it was around the data stack and the data layer where the early members of the ocean protocol have.

It program management background, the way they have been running the notion dogs, the way they have been conducting their meetings on this chords, et cetera, it really resonated with me and I, and I thought, Hey, why not go really deep into the. And then I thought, ah, Hey, let’s submit a proposal as well, to a [00:22:00] doubt to co-create something or really contribute to the community.

Right? So, because I had come from a little bit of SAS background consulting background, uh, audio podcasting background, I said, Hey, why not combine all the skills? And eventually send a proposal to ocean Dow and let’s see what happens.

And that’s why the idea of the Web3 Ocean podcast started off. And the good part is I just recorded my first seasons, first episode with the founder of ocean protocol, Bruce Pon and, uh, yeah, it’s due for release in the next week.

So I’m quite excited and that’s my, and then our child DAO, DAO’s journey.

Scott: Amazing. And can you tell us a little bit more about, uh, the ocean with three podcasts?

Saswat: Sure. So, um, I have meant, um, uh, announcement that it will be at the intersection of, um, Blockchain. Community and data, which is like ABCDs, you know, it’s very catchy and good to remember as well, audio, because I strongly believe that the [00:23:00] next two to four years would be, um, uh, era of, um, Audio amplification and the digital ground.

You’ll see a lot of podcasts. You will see a lot of social audio. So that’s why audio was a blockchain because someone rightly told me that, uh, post 2020 era is actually a blockchain era.

So, um, uh, if you go by the history of, uh, you know, industrial revolution, et cetera, and how there were major shifts and waves and the global economy P in 1968 was primarily an oil letter, 1990 to 1980s or 19 mid 1980s. Bramalea manufacturing era and 1980s, 1990s to 2010 twenties. We’re primarily a, you know, digital it slash product era.

2020 and beyond for the next five to 10 years, you will see the emergence of Web3 or crypto or blockchain, you know, era as well. Community, um, digital communities really took off in 2020 during the [00:24:00] pandemic because there was a sheer need for people to have these intimate digital conversations via their phone or their laptops. Right before pre 2020 people really, you know, took a flight, went to a particular area.

Met people in real life exchange cards and bonded with people. But after 2020, now this with the advent of digital economy, gig economy, remote economy, we are now much more comfortable with actually bonding with people via a digital plan. Right. So that’s why coming digital communities really took off and digital community formation, the architecture and the engineering is a much more complex game that I just learned last year.

So that really excited me that, Hey, there are like multiple evolution of these distinct communities and one of them could be Dao and the web three space. So that’s why communities and the fourth is data because. Now I’m in, we [00:25:00] do not have to even discuss that this is the data economy. Every second of our lives, we are generating millions of data bytes from multiple, uh, you know, platforms, our applications, or our devices that we have been using.

So these four elements really felt like the futuristic trends that will really convert and beautiful things will really cop out of it. So I thought, Hey, why not combine all of these for bringing all this? The best of the talent and the people that have been conversing in these ecosystem and package it as a podcast.

Scott: Amazing. Um, and you’re starting it off with a bang with an interview with, uh, Bruce, how did the conversation with.

Saswat: It was very nice to be honest. Um, uh, I didn’t know that he was in the U S so I just had a, you know, the candid banter with him, understanding his background, getting myself introduced.

And, um, I really, really believed in this mission as well. Um, so I really wanted to connect with them on a personal level. [00:26:00] And as podcasters, we both know us called like, you know, a conversation between two people. If we just put a mic, it really becomes intellectual and also very intimate at times. Right.

You really connect with that human being. So I had some beautiful questions from the community that I had already had. By collecting information, having conversations with a lot of community members. But besides that, I actually dabbled with a few ideas that I had for the community in general or for ocean protocol as well.

So I exchanged those ideas with him and he was very receptive. He was very acknowledging of the fact that, Hey, I love these ideas and use. Got to give me father for my blog posts as well. So that was a very nice, um, a man to man conversation. And, um, I am really, um, uh, an, a mod by his vision and, um, possibly, possibly, I’m also very gung-ho about, um, uh, you know, ocean protocols, project, uh, tragic tree.

So, uh, we, we all hold lotion tokens. So, so, so [00:27:00] we have a vested interest in the action. Yeah. And, um, and so it really went, um, um, and my objective was to actually bring out his worldview for my listeners. Right. I’m in who he is as a person. And, uh, what kind of worldview he holds in his head because, um, uh, your decision in your life or in your job or in your entrepreneurial career is totally defined by the worldview that you have in.

And sometimes the worldview is primarily defined by your three or forties, which is like environment that you are currently in experience that you’ve had in your life and the education background that you come from and the energy that you actually spread in the world. So these four, three or four years really shape your worldview.

Scott: And, um, these four, is that something you’ve just come up with now? Or is this a well-known fact

Saswat: no, I just came up with no, so-so the discotheque. [00:28:00] I come from a consulting background. So, you know, in our head, everything is, is frameworks, you know, grids.

So we, uh, package things into like three , five DS, things like that. Right.

Good gut. I like it. Awesome. Um, well,

Scott: where to from here, what’s what’s next? What’s next for you? What’s next for, um, the ocean ecosystem? You know, where are we, where are we going to be? Uh, by the end of 2022.

Saswat: Wow. As a, as a new. Um, uh, you know, a new member of, um, uh, ocean ambassador program. My thoughts are, first of all, I’ll contribute to the community, right?

Uh, you get as much as you give. So, uh, so the initial few weeks. Um, uh, has to be giving back to the community first, like bringing in my expertise, bringing in my network, bringing in my skillset and just pouring [00:29:00] in and trying to see where it could be of help to let’s say you to, uh or to anyone who is currently there in the community, et cetera.

Right. And after that, uh, maybe, you know, deliberating or debating or discussion or, or, um, you know, thinking it together. As our ambassadors and seeing where, where this Dow needs to go towards as well, because we all will benefit our, we all will contribute to this tower. Dow could not be possible with the contribution or with the thought process of only one community member.

Right. It has to be a very collective effort. So my thought is to make this community much more stronger and more so to work on the community, um, engineering. Meaning that, uh, something that I was just discussing with Bruce is that how do we make every node of the community way stronger so that the, so that the communities density or the intellectual density of the community really.

Right. Uh, [00:30:00] community is as strong as its weakest link. So the most stronger nodes that we actually onboard onto the community, the better our community becomes and the more benefit we all get as being DAO members. So for the first short term goal for me would be to onboard them now, some quality ambassadors as well, people who come from very, uh, Uh, different background, right?

I mean, people who have a very strong worldview as to how the world should function in the coming years as well. People who have the right credentials, who can actually, you know, execute those things that they are, have their worldview around. If those ambassadors are there in our community, then, then the vibe of the community really increases.

You will start loving the conversation. You will start providing with other community members and it will start coming. Those events more and more so, so that is something that, uh, of interest to me, especially in the first few months. And eventually I see in how this ocean [00:31:00] marketplace really takes off because I’m coming from the SAS background.

I strongly. I believe that a lot of vet three SAS companies who are experimenting or testing, testing out multiple use cases, we’ll definitely try out ocean protocol. Uh, it’s just not, uh, you know, uh, consumer or, you know, just not like trading, buying, selling ocean tokens, but more so. On getting onto that ocean marketplace, because, because data is of immense value.

Everyone knows about it. The Web3 folks knows, knows about it. The SAS ecosystem players know about it. So, you know, if both converge, then there’s a possibility that there could be amazing projects that will be built on top of it as well. So on that particular fence or boundary is where my interests.

Because I strongly see that there will be a convergence of SAS ecosystem into the web ecosystem via ocean protocol.

Scott: I like it. And it’s a [00:32:00] very, very fertile ground indeed..

Saswat: Yeah. And then, um, no, we all make sense of all the chaos around us. So, uh, so, uh, sometimes on the discord servers, there’s all so much of noise. So to actually derive the signal out of the noise, you need to have a very strong plan or strong mental model. Right? I mean, how do you find the signal from, from this cacophony of nice, right?

So, so you need to be very, uh, uh, laser. In terms of picking the right, right signals, uh, from the right conversations and then stitch it together so that you have a beautiful necklace. So all the signals are just beads. You just make a necklace out of it and then, then you use it or gifted or keep it with you, which could be of a common good.

Scott: Yeah, amazing. I like it. Well, um, yeah, plenty of fertile soil and, uh, it sounds like you’re laying some pretty good, uh, fertilizer down, so I’m very excited to see, uh, [00:33:00] where, where this continues to go and, um, yeah, glad to, to sort of have. Um, you know, coming into the ocean ecosystem and, um, you know, for me looking forward to learning from you, um, you’ve, you’ve already had a lot of success with, with your previous podcasts and, um, you know, I’m just getting started.

I’m just, uh, uh, so, uh, very much looking forward to learning and growing with you on this journey.

Saswat: Absolutely Scott and diamonds are looking forward to, you know, now learn from you and contribute to your journey, um, as a, as a podcast or just not in the, in the distal ecosystem, but also especially in the crypto ecosystem because crypto or blockchain podcasts are a subset of the huge podcasting canvas.

So, so if you are in. Three or crypto or blockchain ecosystem, then I would, uh, uh, just not recommend you, but a lot of, uh, recommend to our listeners as well to try out So that’s a great, uh, podcasting platform that Oscar is, uh, building [00:34:00] and, uh, um, uh, the platform is very nice because it talks about podcasting 2.0.

Which is value for value. So, uh, in, in the web to podcasting landscape like Spotify, or let’s say like, uh, Google podcast or Amazon podcast, or let’s say apple podcasts, right? These are, these are very web two specific, uh, podcasting platforms. And, and, and quite a lot of people are even very new to this.

Right. So talk about vet three podcasting platforms like fountain. Uh, where you can actually publish a podcast, but also you can actually, um, the, you know, distribute your, um, uh, SATs or Satoshi is with your guests, with your community members. And then everyone, uh, gets value out of it. The listener also gets value out of it.

The listener can also contribute to you if they are on the lightning network. And, um, it’s a very good, uh, natural evolution of podcasting. 1.0 is what I would say.

Scott: Yeah, that sounds cool. I’m looking forward to, uh, to checking it out, learning [00:35:00] more.

Saswat: And, uh, yeah, looking forward to connect with all the other fellow ocean ambassadors and learn from them and exchange ideas and see how we can co-create things and how we can make our ocean Dow better. So that, so that we all reap the benefit and also also have a good time hanging out with each other.

Yeah, definitely

Scott: bring on the ocean hacker house.

Saswat: Good idea. Actually, that’s a good idea. It’s proposal.

We should have a horse ocean hacker house as well. Right? Digital ocean hacker house.

Yeah. This is the, this is actually the launch

Scott: of the ocean heck

Saswat: house. So if you’re listening to this, that’s what this is all about. That’s a good, good note, actually, you know, who knows after five or six months, you know, people will be really, you know, raving for this hacker house and yes, this idea. In Orlando, you know, [00:36:00] podcast discussion or the topic?


Scott: yeah.

Cool. Hey, thank you so much for, um, taking the time to, to have a conversation and, um, yeah, it was great to learn more about you and looking forward to, to listening to episode one and the subsequent episodes to, it sounds, uh, sounds like it’s going to be pretty well.

Saswat: Yeah, thanks for all the support as well, Scott,